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palusbuteoThis post is about the new series so spoilers ahead
So far, I tend to like it.
It, for me, definitely feels as if it's in the same formula, look & feel of Mandalorian, being that it's gritty and dirty and Spaghetti Western-ish, and I'm not entirely sure I like the overall mood.
There are some elements and character arcs now that I'm also not sure I "agree" with.
I know it's supposed to be about Kenobi's perspective post Ep. III, but if they had sort of split it between him trying to keep an eye on Luke, and danger from him, from a distance/in the background, and with a separate parallel arc with Leia as a kid, I think it works better.
I don't like this very early interaction between Kenobi and Leia all of a sudden. The two kids were supposed to be kept as far away from each other as possible to avoid any suspicion from Palpy & Vader. They were supposed to be kept in secret. At least according to how I am to understand the "original" canon.
Vader isn't even supposed to even realize he has a daughter until Luke is almost defeated in ROTJ. That's how good Leia being hidden was supposed to be. She was supposed to be Option B if things really went south with Luke, and they almost did. Even she realized at the very end that she had some amount of Force sensitivity.
Had it been something in the current series / timeline that Leia just from having to observe in the sidelines along Organa that the Universe is full of corruption and problems, and that her original-movie-persona being a total badass take-no-bullshit and intelligent princess.
Although the Abduction-to-bait-Kenobi side quest isn't necessarily a bad element. It does work that "she learns a difficult life experience that some people will be out to get her or use her" element that I'm referring to above.
Yes, I also realize McGregor is the series producer and is helping write the story.
And then there's the stupid Inquisitors and the Sister who's fucking everything up.
No, I am not at all racist. I don't hate the actress. It's the formulaic megalomaniacal sociopathic rogue trope character that I do not like. Go fucking figure. There's a out of bounds sociopathic rogue Inquisitor who will do everything and anything to put themself at the top. Where have I seen this crap before.
Vader (killing) innocent people was at first for me, a bit jarring, but then of course remembering what he'd done a few years earlier on Mustafar with the Trade Federation, and of course what he spends the rest of the time in the original movies doing to officers that try to go above him or cockblock him....Totally not beyond his character and corruption with the dark side, etc etc.
The fire scene was intense and I honestly wasn't expecting to see anything like that this "early".
And I think it really does set the tone that Vader is totally out of bounds, and why Kenobi in ANH, goes out of his way to avoid a confrontation as best he could. (as FBHJR has mentioned on a few SW-nerd-outs, that final Death Star battle is all about them trying to be like their younger, nimbler selves, but clearly are two old men trying to settle a decades-old blood feud, paraphrased).
So, that fire scene does work. And it is intense.
Again, I'm going entirely from their final encounter on the Death Star, decades later.
I would have liked it "better" if the out of control sociopath chasing after Kenobi's shadow wasn't the Sister but was Vader the whole time. Seeing Kenobi freaking the fuck out when he realizes it's Vader was also really intense and I think a huge character development moment. Although It sort of contradicts his reminiscence when he's talking to Luke about him, but at the same time it still sort of works because you see his face and tone change with the older Kenobi when he goes from "he was a great pilot and a good friend" to "he is more machine than man, twisted and evil"
On a side-note about Vader and his (de-evolution), for decades now I've always suspected that when Kenobi says this, that when they "Last Encountered / Was once the Learner now I am the Master", that Vader was continuing to literally physically fall apart since Ep. III and being placed into the suit. That over the decades before the Death Star, that his body was getting worse and worse, and he was literally becoming more "machine" than man. There was that whole thing before the Sequels series, that Vader was not only losing his mobility and agility in his older age, but had lost some of his Force ability, thanks to, well, Kenobi kicking his ass from Ep. III. He's only really able to use his lightsaber with one hand (his remaining original limb), and it takes him some effort to Force-Move objects (from the scene on Cloud City). Although he was able to Force-Choke from some distance on a Star Destroyer, so, yeah.
So when that final "I have the high ground" scene happens in Ep. III when I first watched it, I was a bit shocked at how much Kenobi had wrecked Vader.
Ok so fast-forward back to the Kenobi series
So...Inquisitors. Meh. I suppose they're the Bad Guys characters and element in the series and we'll just have to deal with them. I had liked that the Grand Inquisitor was sent out with his goons to Lothar to deal with Space Aladdin in "Rebels", because Vader can't be everywhere at once. While it was nice to have Vader appear in the Rebels series, I do admit this.
...Just that I had expected Vader to be obsessed with finding Kenobi on the other side of the Galaxy during the time of Rebels. So now the Kenobi series kinda fucks that up a little now that the Inquisitors are all over the Dantooine system.
I've felt the Inquisitors were to be, well, inquisitors. Detectives. Seeking out any remaining Jedi, to not "engage", and then inform Vader. Because eradicating the remaining Jedi is supposed to be Vader's job.
I also was expecting to have the Seventh Sister be more of a role in Kenobi than Fifth Brother/Hammerhead Guy, as I felt there was an emphasis on Female characters and that Hammerhead was considered a "minor" or one-off character. Although my Inner Artist is also a little eye-rolled with the Seventh Sister Helmet that looks too much like Vader's. At one point in Rebels I figured the Inquisitors were (in-universe) supposed to look a little like Vader, since he was 1. their boss and 2. creating a sort of brand look and making the Vader presence more wide-spread.
But anyway I ramble off in tangents.
But, I'm gonna keep watching because it is intense and visually excellent and all that good stuff.
So far, I tend to like it.
It, for me, definitely feels as if it's in the same formula, look & feel of Mandalorian, being that it's gritty and dirty and Spaghetti Western-ish, and I'm not entirely sure I like the overall mood.
There are some elements and character arcs now that I'm also not sure I "agree" with.
I know it's supposed to be about Kenobi's perspective post Ep. III, but if they had sort of split it between him trying to keep an eye on Luke, and danger from him, from a distance/in the background, and with a separate parallel arc with Leia as a kid, I think it works better.
I don't like this very early interaction between Kenobi and Leia all of a sudden. The two kids were supposed to be kept as far away from each other as possible to avoid any suspicion from Palpy & Vader. They were supposed to be kept in secret. At least according to how I am to understand the "original" canon.
Vader isn't even supposed to even realize he has a daughter until Luke is almost defeated in ROTJ. That's how good Leia being hidden was supposed to be. She was supposed to be Option B if things really went south with Luke, and they almost did. Even she realized at the very end that she had some amount of Force sensitivity.
Had it been something in the current series / timeline that Leia just from having to observe in the sidelines along Organa that the Universe is full of corruption and problems, and that her original-movie-persona being a total badass take-no-bullshit and intelligent princess.
Although the Abduction-to-bait-Kenobi side quest isn't necessarily a bad element. It does work that "she learns a difficult life experience that some people will be out to get her or use her" element that I'm referring to above.
Yes, I also realize McGregor is the series producer and is helping write the story.
And then there's the stupid Inquisitors and the Sister who's fucking everything up.
No, I am not at all racist. I don't hate the actress. It's the formulaic megalomaniacal sociopathic rogue trope character that I do not like. Go fucking figure. There's a out of bounds sociopathic rogue Inquisitor who will do everything and anything to put themself at the top. Where have I seen this crap before.
Vader (killing) innocent people was at first for me, a bit jarring, but then of course remembering what he'd done a few years earlier on Mustafar with the Trade Federation, and of course what he spends the rest of the time in the original movies doing to officers that try to go above him or cockblock him....Totally not beyond his character and corruption with the dark side, etc etc.
The fire scene was intense and I honestly wasn't expecting to see anything like that this "early".
And I think it really does set the tone that Vader is totally out of bounds, and why Kenobi in ANH, goes out of his way to avoid a confrontation as best he could. (as FBHJR has mentioned on a few SW-nerd-outs, that final Death Star battle is all about them trying to be like their younger, nimbler selves, but clearly are two old men trying to settle a decades-old blood feud, paraphrased).
So, that fire scene does work. And it is intense.
Again, I'm going entirely from their final encounter on the Death Star, decades later.
I would have liked it "better" if the out of control sociopath chasing after Kenobi's shadow wasn't the Sister but was Vader the whole time. Seeing Kenobi freaking the fuck out when he realizes it's Vader was also really intense and I think a huge character development moment. Although It sort of contradicts his reminiscence when he's talking to Luke about him, but at the same time it still sort of works because you see his face and tone change with the older Kenobi when he goes from "he was a great pilot and a good friend" to "he is more machine than man, twisted and evil"
On a side-note about Vader and his (de-evolution), for decades now I've always suspected that when Kenobi says this, that when they "Last Encountered / Was once the Learner now I am the Master", that Vader was continuing to literally physically fall apart since Ep. III and being placed into the suit. That over the decades before the Death Star, that his body was getting worse and worse, and he was literally becoming more "machine" than man. There was that whole thing before the Sequels series, that Vader was not only losing his mobility and agility in his older age, but had lost some of his Force ability, thanks to, well, Kenobi kicking his ass from Ep. III. He's only really able to use his lightsaber with one hand (his remaining original limb), and it takes him some effort to Force-Move objects (from the scene on Cloud City). Although he was able to Force-Choke from some distance on a Star Destroyer, so, yeah.
So when that final "I have the high ground" scene happens in Ep. III when I first watched it, I was a bit shocked at how much Kenobi had wrecked Vader.
Ok so fast-forward back to the Kenobi series
So...Inquisitors. Meh. I suppose they're the Bad Guys characters and element in the series and we'll just have to deal with them. I had liked that the Grand Inquisitor was sent out with his goons to Lothar to deal with Space Aladdin in "Rebels", because Vader can't be everywhere at once. While it was nice to have Vader appear in the Rebels series, I do admit this.
...Just that I had expected Vader to be obsessed with finding Kenobi on the other side of the Galaxy during the time of Rebels. So now the Kenobi series kinda fucks that up a little now that the Inquisitors are all over the Dantooine system.
I've felt the Inquisitors were to be, well, inquisitors. Detectives. Seeking out any remaining Jedi, to not "engage", and then inform Vader. Because eradicating the remaining Jedi is supposed to be Vader's job.
I also was expecting to have the Seventh Sister be more of a role in Kenobi than Fifth Brother/Hammerhead Guy, as I felt there was an emphasis on Female characters and that Hammerhead was considered a "minor" or one-off character. Although my Inner Artist is also a little eye-rolled with the Seventh Sister Helmet that looks too much like Vader's. At one point in Rebels I figured the Inquisitors were (in-universe) supposed to look a little like Vader, since he was 1. their boss and 2. creating a sort of brand look and making the Vader presence more wide-spread.
But anyway I ramble off in tangents.
But, I'm gonna keep watching because it is intense and visually excellent and all that good stuff.
